President-elect Barack Obama says he will bar pork-barrel projects from the massive economic stimulus bill he wants Congress to pass.
What's all the fuss about. There is no more pork, we changed the name to tofu. That sounds much healthier but it's just a different way for congress to f u.
Thanks for the laugh Nova. I am guessing we can all predict a future headline when Pork is discovered will be: All not kosher with stimulus bill.
Bush acts like a Democrat, maybe we will get lucky and Obama will continue to sound like a Republican (no pork) is the sound I refer to.
Bingo!
I was thinking the same thing also, guys. Bush started spending money like a drunken democrat his last six- twelve months in office. Now Obama talking tax CUTS and NO earmarks? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AROUND HERE?
Didn't you get the news?Since Clinton left a surplus Republicans were forced to do the opposite.Just to be different I guess.
His plan is 60% pork already. That's why he doesn't want Congress to add any. It is highly unlikely the Murtha's and Byrd's of the world will buy into his idea but they may get shut down by others.
By the way, the biggest spenders left in Congress are Democrats - not Republicans. It is the Republican's that want to try to control the pork. While they lost their way in the last 4 yeas, the Democrats have always been the Kings and Queens of pork and always will be. That's how most of them keep getting re-elected.
true JC, A lot of things can be considered "infrastructure". Just about any building if they want to go that way. Who knows, Harry Reid might still get that mobster museum classified an important infrastructure.
FYI - pork equals about 1/10th of the actual money we blow on other useless ventures! so let's all not get to worked up over pork!
i'm still a little concerned about the $800(on paper) billion bailout...compare that to the $70 billion a year in "pork" yeah - this is really a big issue! I guess that's why mccain went so crazy...fighting pork is his legacy yet it all became moot once bush and congress shelled out $800 BILLION dollars for one bill! and here we have the same people bickering over the same wedge issues, using the same rhetoric arguing with one another about our government instead of spending time arguing with our politicians and making some kind of difference. i love it!
listen - you want reailty - (if you can't make it to washington) turn off all the so-called news sources and watch C-SPAN. You'll find out all sorts of interesting things and you'll see your congessmen and women in action - walking the walk or not. This is unedited no spin politics. you will finally see where each politician stands and you get to see great graphs, like the one last yr at this time that showed the RIDICULOUS amounts of spending the republicans - who campaign on less spending - actually spent between 2001-2006. it's alway good to see reality and then watch people get duped by campaign promises!
"IN YOUR DREAMS" No pork,earmarks or whatever you call it. They'll come up with a politically correct word to explain the pork. Congress is just not like that. They are not that honest. We'll see if the money goes where it's really needed. Probably just like the 9/11 anti terror funds went. To podunk, nowhere to the two man police department.
podunk nowhere with the two man police department is where the money came from folks there all work and pay taxes.
Although this covers more than just the "Pork" I think everyone has their own ideas about how to improve our country.
Here are just a few things. You are welcome to add your own ideas.
TO: President Elect
Though we the people are crippled by an impotent and corrupt body of politicians we expect that in return for said bailout funds (our tax dollars) all CEO’s of rescued companies be terminated from their positions on the grounds of Criminal Reckless Management (defined as a company that is too big to fail but requires government assistance). Upon termination any and all financial benefits originally offered are nullified based on “failure to operate at a minimum level of success”. These corporate officers will also face criminal trails.
We the people expect that if any President’s public satisfaction rating falls below 40% for 3 consecutive quarters they are subject to impeachment.
We the people expect that term limits of 8 years for any and all House and Senate political positions.
We the people expect that all “Pork” legislation is voted on a case by case basis and not connected to any other legislation, with no exception. Yes, that means our elected representatives will have to work more than 4 months of the year.
All pay increases for elected representatives will be based on the yearly national average increases. No Increases during periods of recession.
We the people expect that as our elected officials are afforded the highest level of public trust and responsibility they are also held to the highest level of morality. Ask the Romans if corruption is something to worry about.
Any public official found guilty of any crimes related to their position should face double the maximum penalty.
We DO NOT live in a democratic society. Not once has a governor or senator ever asked for a consensus (state vote) on any relative legislation (other than smoking bans). Did anyone ask me if I felt the US should go into Iraq ? What about the Patriot Act? I don’t recall anyone asking me about that one either.
If I can dial a 1-800 number to vote on my favorite Idol contestant I’m sure the technology is available to make that an easy process.
Why was President Bush still in office while his public rating is the lowest of any President, and had been for close to 2 years?!!!
Why do we reward mediocrity and accept much less than that? “Sorry, we can’t deal with that issue right now…. We’re taking our winter break”
Sincerely,
A Hopeful American.
You have forgotten one. When the congress has an approval rating that equals one half that of the president then the congress shall be removed from office.
HAHA! Good point gus 724628.
Well said! This is a letter We the People should all send to our President (elect).
gus - the problem with that is a new congress convenes every 2 yrs and there are multiple people involved (as I'm sure you realize) some good some bad - but I am all for yearly reviews of our senators and congressmen/women. If they do not pass their yearly review - they're out and we elect a new person in their place.
Re-Elect No One!!!!
No Pork!!! I'll have to find a new handle.
But I'll bet everyone that it will be full of Pork. They don't know any other way to do things. Maybe they'll just refer to it as filet mignon since it's such a massive spending bill full of supposedly prime projects.
we need to banish earmarks permenantly! the major problems are rich people tring
to get cuts off the money & then wonder why they are loosing everything because they
are stealing our poor peoples money.they don't understand/are too greedy for the
concept of money circulation, which makes a great economy!
Obama said he will ban ALL Earmarks. Not just ones form the stimulus bill.
No more pork barrel projects tagged on to bills with out Congressional oversight and approval by vote.
It's like saying, I agree, but what do i get for my vote.
It is unethical.
ENOUGH!
One politicians project is another pork. Public works programs in the strictest sense is pork, lets see where the roads are built, lets see if its spread around evenly or where the people from the ruling party represent. That will tell the story.
Lets submit separate bills to do this then, and not tie up other legislation that we need more desperately in this crises, with pork.
Anything less is more of the same irresponsibility.
This what every sensible person does, prioritize. This is what the American people want, and why they voted for Obama in the largest vote for any president in history..
I feel so much better now!
There will be 3.2 Million new jobs by the 1st Quarter of 2011 according to "The Choosen Ones" Plan.
And my wife and I will be getting $1,000.00. I'm not sure what I'm going to buy, a car, a new 60" Plasma, a new computer, how a bout that $5,000.00 vacation we've been thinking about or better yet, how about something the typical democrat would spend his grand on, Lottery and booze.
Aren't Stimulus Packages wonderful?
When is my grand coming? I gots my numbers all picked out - I knows their the winners.
Folks this Stimulus Pacakage is a Slap in the face of every American.
The first one didn't work, nor will this one.
And to wait until 2011 for jobs. I thought this crisis needed some immediate attention, not a plan producing results not to be seen for two years. You have got to be F%$%&*^ kidding me.
The lottery is the only tax I don't pay. I'm waiting for them to tell me I must not be an American since I don't play. The slogan is you can't win if you don't play... Mine is I can't play because I never win.
rmbscuba: And exactly what would you suggest Obama do? Let the country suffer even more and do nothing like Hoover did at the beginning of the Great Depression? Say what you will about the "stimulus package," but I know that the $300 came in handy when I got it. Or did you, on your ethics and honor, send the money back in rightous outrage? As far as waiting to create jobs, what else is there to do? Do you think the President (either Bush or Obama) has that magic wand Bush talked about to immediately create those jobs? Something has to be done and done now. I can't say the stimulus package will work, but it might slow the bleeding enough to get something accomplished.
By the way, as a democrat, I don't buy either booze or lottery tickets with my hard-earned cash. And I'm about as typical as it gets, so take your partisanship and shove off already. It's tired and accomplishes NOTHING. It fixes NOTHING and only divides us even more.
Americans need to learn to show a little more respect for their leaders. It's time to stop the name calling and give President elect Stymie and Vice President elect Petey our total support.
the best way to stimulate the economy would be get rid of the IRS. but the arrogant politicians running the country don't trust us to spend our own money the way we see fit!
Amen to that!!!
Let's look at this - I was taxed $19,000 JUST FEDERAL TAXES (that's not social security, medicaid, etc) just plain fed taxes.
You want to stimulate the economy - give me back my $19,000, stay out of my paycheck and implement the fair tax - where we jack up the sales tax to 25%, excluding food and housing - this way if you feel the need to buy things you don't need, you will help stimulate the economy and if you prefer to save - you'll have a heftier chunk of disposable income to do so. Let's see - $19,000 in taxes a year for 10 years and I have $200K in my bank account - not including interest earned or investments that I was finally able to afford to buy into! I'm for it - how bout you?
Entire FED BUDGET shold be frozen...no increases on anything......
Then every single govt department/agency should be audited and examined to see if they are performing the job they were created to do. If they are not then they should be closed.
This would be the first logical step.
well there's you're first mistake - you're thinking logically! haha
Charger - You know many people don't like logic. It's become a dirty word. Congress, Bush and NObama are all treating the US like it's a giant VISA! Or maybe AMEX, some fo their cards don't have limits.
The folks on welfare will be estatic!
Beer and cigarette money is on the way!
Woo Hoo
You got that right!
Maybe we can all send in our old unused gold for gas` money.
Maybe if this bill is posted to the internet this can usher in a gov't closer to a democracy. Congress voting themselves raises while everyone else is cutting back illustrates our "representatives" aren't our representatives any more. Perhaps if they face job elimination government can become more like "of, by and for the people".
As for the package, tax cuts plus gov't spending. Where is the money coming from? China?
Now, if we can eliminate every dollar of foreign aid.
They will tell you this is old legislation. The raise was in a bill from two years ago. True however they had plenty of time to resend this raise if they had wanted to.
"His proposal includes tax cuts of up to $300 billion"
Are these actually tax cuts? Does any go to those who pay NO taxes?
TAX CUTS!
How do you borrow 750 billion, cut taxes and then Pay the 750 Billion back?
Who is the idiot here!
Richard,
Quit trying to explain politics using facts, it gets us all very confused.
Anthony,
I am all for helping out my fellow neighbor. That is, the neighbor that actually deserves it. What I am not for is giving a check to someone who did not even pay in taxes this past year as this stimulus package is going to do. Yes, I called it a stimulus package and I hope to God it actually works. However, if you paid nothing in taxes then you get exactly what you paid in...nothing. Which I believe is, oh what did that other poster call it, welfare.
tired of being poor and green--
I didn't pay taxes last year because my Social Security (Income) wasn't high enough. I became disabled after working for 35 years, raising my family as a single mother and playing by the rules.
Why is it that many people think that those of us living on SS or Welfare ENJOY it? Because we can watch TV all day? I would gladly trade my 24/7 debilitating back pain for my old job as that would be a boost to my self-esteem. And you feel like I'm getting something you're not?
PLEASE READ THIS IF YOU ARE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD!!! *head of household, **an American citizen with a bank account and a social security number, ***home owner. From this package, you will receive a $250,000 deposit into the bank account of your choice. Wow, now that is a stimulis check!! Now the Mortgage Co. gets some or all of their money back for paying off the house, banks and credit cards get their money back-paying off cars, boats, misc., etc., small contractors/homes flurish on small home repairs, new builds, etc., and when you purchase your new AMERICAN vehicle, you do not pay tax!! Foreign cars-30% tax accross the board!!!! Now that is a stimulis check that should of happened before and really should happen now!
I guess the question is very simple. When was the last Bill Passed without any PORK?
Ummmm...Ummmm...Ummmm...wait, I'm still thinking. I know I can get it, just give me a minute. Hold on, I know this one. It's right on the tip of my tongue. Who am I fooling I have no clue.
It was done by the beef council of america.
TRILLION dollar deficits for years to come. Are you people listening. TRILLION dollar deficits for years to come. Look at history and, you will see no civilization has stayed afloat on huge deficit spending year to year. And if you think that the politicians will ever get it right, you are living in fantasy land. Wait till the baby boomers want to retire in mass and, the social security system is needing to take back the money it lent the federal government instead of pumping the money into the federal government. Do you hear the sound of America going down the drain.
Yeah, that sound has been building since 2000.
-Yeah, that sound has been building since 2000.
actually after WWII then it was stopped between 1980-1988
It sounds like a goog plan to me, I too think the World is over as we know it, but for myself and everybody else's sake, I very much hope I am wrong. I will be the first to admit it if and when I can.
On the subject of earmarks... Why not give each Senator and Representative their own piece of the overall budget. Something like $5mil per Rep., and $25 mil per Senator. Feel free to revise the numbers as you see fit. They get to spend it any way they want as long as representatives spend the money within their district, and senators spend it within their state. But once the till is dry, that's it for the year, term, whatever. They all get this in lieu of earmarks.
I suppose some sort of oversight committee would probably have to be created to rubber stamp the projects, but just put the whole thing on the internet. Here's how much congressman so and so got, and here's how it was spent. If they want to pad their political cronies pockets, fine, but I can guarantee their opponent in the next election is going to tell the world how irresponsible the money was spent. On the other hand, if they want to invest in local schools and other infrastructure projects great!
I'm pretty sure that "pork" spending is not all bad, and in fact delivers much needed funding to many good projects around the country. This is part of the reason we send representatives to Washington in the first place. To look out for the interests of their constituents. Doing away with pork projects completely might streamline the legislative process, but it might also hurt otherwise worthy projects. And if earmarks are a way of "buying" votes for important legislation, then let the congressmen trade their budgets. Vote for my bill and I'll put another $1mil into your allocation account.
I honsetly like this idea.
So what does it mean... "1,000 tax cut if one of the couple is working?"
As I understand it, most of the tax cuts are going to businesses who hire more people. So, let me understand this: if they hire more people, then they make more money right? (more production, more output, more income....).... then they pay in less taxes, so of the "more income" they get to keep more... am I missing something here? Doesn't this sound more like another bailout for business and less for people. What about retired people trying to keep up? If one of them isn't working, does that mean they don't get a tax cut? Still we haven't actually seen the proposal, so I suppose this isn't quite fair yet.. but things to look for!... bpp
Obama bans earmarks from economic package
I hope it`s true and it happens. This one change alone would be worth the 20,000 a night (Virtual Palace) hotel bill.
800 billion dollars, divided by 3.2 million jobs equals 250,000 dollars per job! Nice salary!
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